What would Sheikh Bashir do ?
What happened at Sassine on Monday was a shameful disgraceful act. I cannot believe LFers and FPMers almost killed each others for a POSTER !
Are we serious here ? What if they put the poster back ? Where’s the big deal ?
Where was Spiro to call down those thugs ?? where is he anyway ? too scared to go out ? needs another bodyguard maybe ?
Dont worry no one will kill an incompetent like you … go down to the streets and calm those LFers who are polluting our image the same way few thugs did almost 20 years ago ..
Where are LF representatives ? Deputees ?
No one is realizing how damaging this incident was, and the LFers are to be blamed because they had no right in tearing the poster down, and no right in stopping the Aounists of putting the poster back, regardless what Aoun or Aounists did !!
If They are thugs, do we have to act like them ?
If they intimidate us, do we have to insult them back ?
If the army shows up, do we have to beat them up ?
I am just wondering what would have Bashir done, whose memorial is right in the middle of Sassine. He would have made those kids regret every insult they said throughout their whole life, not just that night
What happened in Sassine reminded me of an unfortunate event during the latest days of the civil war in 1990 when someone in the corner of the street i was living got killed by LF folks that found a picture of Michel Aoun in his car.
Stupid and shamefull that lebanese did not learn what HISTORY is and the lesson of history.
Maybe we do not have to forget our past as we did but we can forgive, forgetting is leading to the same unfortunate events.
Now about what would have been doing Bashir in such case, let me remind u of the altamena massacre in Tabarja in the late 70’s. He would have been doing even worst then those kids.
November 30th, 2006 | #
Bashir would send Aoun and his henchmen straight back to Iran where they belong. There they could be footstools for Ahmadinejad’s stinky feet
November 30th, 2006 | #
what would Bashir do? bifish khil2o, by massacring some sub-humans (Palestinians or Shia).
November 30th, 2006 | #
And rightly so, Ibn Bint Jbeil. Aren’t they now massacring our government, massacring our politics, massacring our freedom ? Waving around 30,000 weapons under the noses of the entire international community. To protect us from Israel ? No, not at all. To protect the interests of Syria and Iran ? yes, that’s it.
Bashir would send them to Iran where they belong; not in a free, democratic open society.
November 30th, 2006 | #
Douchambé you’re not fooling anyone. we know what you really are. Just another operative paid by Hezballah going from blog to blog posting the same comment under different names. That’s sad what Hezballah has come to. Cheap tricks like that.
As for what happenned in Sassine, it is a shame, but really do you believe this is about a damn poster. This is about what is happenning in the country as a whole, about a mad man giving cover to Hezballah to do as it pleases with Lebanon.
Come on man the poster stood in Sassine for more than a year and nobody cared.
November 30th, 2006 | #
There are rogue elements in all parties.
The LF members who did this are idiots but they don’t
represent the majority of LF who are respectable people (regardless
of the fact that I support the other political side). That happened
in all parties including Amal and Hezbollah.
Herbert Kaine and Traffic please mind your own business you are not
lebanese and therefore what you think about Aoun or Hezbollah or
any other lebanese party is totally irrelevent to us. I love Hezbollah
and N10452 and Free can argue with me or rip me it is their right, they
are lebanese like me, not you, sorry you do not have that privilege (
specially when you support racist facist zionist criminals)
November 30th, 2006 | #
I second Sam.
November 30th, 2006 | #
Douch and Ibn Bint Jbeil,
Your answers are disrespectful to Bashir who never committed such crimes whether you admit it or not. Bash controlled the thugs and was very strict concerning those issues.
November 30th, 2006 | #
pssst N10452, it’s ok if you say you agree with Sam
See, 4 months of discussing and debating, and you guys agree on something!
November 30th, 2006 | #
I’m really curious to know how the label LFer came to be. Because I have never really heard anyone else use it.
November 30th, 2006 | #
N, wish people from all political parties were as objective as you. Wish also politicians in Lebanon were like this. If they were, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
November 30th, 2006 | #
Izzi- LF = Lebanese Forces. Therefore, LFer is a person of the Lebanese Forces
November 30th, 2006 | #
Ram,
Well maybe he is sick or something lol, am holding a few days to make sure this is really Sam
Liliane,
Merci 3al compliment
Thats ur 2nd, am impressed lol.
November 30th, 2006 | #
N10452, play nice
November 30th, 2006 | #
Very well said N10452
VERY well said….
what an incompetent that spiro… but I don’t blame him… he wasn’t elected as the LF student representative.. he was just named…
How can you be a competent and charismatic guy, if you were NEVER elected before…
what gives you legitimacy, is the election process…
let us count the years where the LF understand the way a democracy functions….
cheers
November 30th, 2006 | #
I know that Rampurple, i meant… LFer = Lebanese Forces-er?
November 30th, 2006 | #
LFer sounds like MFer
November 30th, 2006 | #
Ok since I’m becoming suspect let me come
a little bit to the defense of ibn Bint Jbeil
I’m very ambivalent myself to Bashir. In many
ways I just love and respect so much his incorruptible
character his unwavering dedication to his cause and the
vision and love he has for Lebanon as independant from
any power or superpower, in this regard I see him
as a true hero. On the other hand there is a dark side
I try to forget (and that I try to blame on Bashir’s youth at the
time) I think this is the one Ibn Bint Jbeil is talking about:
There were episodes of extreme violence that hurt my
consience as a human being: Karantina (some palestinian
civilians were empaled yes empaled like sheep), saffra massacre,
tony Franjieh execution, barbara exactions, … may I add a sentence
that Bashir once said “every true lebanese should kill a palestinian”. So
I feelschizophrenic (like 99% of lebanese) which one is Bashir?
After he became officially president he did a remarquable sans faute
when he declared: “I was representing part of the lebanese but
today as president I will defend the interest and protect every
lebanese regardless of his religion or background” he met with
many national, regional and international leaders resisted every
form of blackmail and simply said “No” when he thought something
was not in Lebanon interest. This is the image that I prefer and that
stays in my heart, Allah yerhamak ya Bashir.
November 30th, 2006 | #
Liliane,
Merci 3al compliment
Thats ur 2nd, am impressed lol.
It wasn’t much of a compliment as much as a latche to others
(7ki el jara la tesma3 el kinneh lol)
November 30th, 2006 | #
Has anyone addressed why Syria doesnt recognize Lebanon? Are we always going to be in the same boat as Kuwait, though of as Iraq 19th province?
November 30th, 2006 | #
Unfortunately, as a US taxpayer, and neighbor of one of the US Marines killed in 1982 by Sam’s beloved Hezbollah, what goes on in Lebanon is our concern. The same goes for inflammatory sermons by Islamic clerics who issue fatwas permitting mass murder of non-Muslims, which we used to ignore before 9/11. Speaking of 9/11, it was a Lebanese, Ziad Jarrah, who was one of the 9/11 hijackers. We sent our troops into Lebanon in 1982 on a humanitarian mission on the request of the Lebanese government, and they got a traditional Lebanese greeting in the form of car bombs. In an ideal world, I woulg ignore Lebanon just like I ignore Equatorial Guinea (which at least has some oil), but unfortunately events in Lebanon have a way of washing up upon our shores. Hunter S Thompson once said- People get the government they deserve, and this is certainly the case in Iraq. If the Lebanese want to kill each other as national sport, be my guest, but keep it within your borders.
November 30th, 2006 | #
Dear Kaine
I was also a US taxpayer for a while but I never held weapons and killed
people in the US. Please stay at home and don’t interfere in our
business like in 1982 and I won’t give a s..t about your country.
November 30th, 2006 | #
Dear Sam
I am happy that when you lived in the US you didnt kill anyone. Both our interventions when Camille Chanoun called us in 1958, as well as 1982 were mistakes. I have no plans to visit Lebanon, and I hope the Lebanese stay at home and dont visit us as well. The next time Lebanon yells for help, like in 1958, 1975, 1982, 2006, etc, perhaps we should just seal the borders to make sure that the violence stays confined in Lebanon
November 30th, 2006 | #
mr. kaine, I live in the u.s., pay taxes, go to school, and work. I’m also Lebanese and I agree with every single thing you said about Hezbollah. They are terrorists, nothing more; they are not even lebanese…for if they were lebanese they wouldn’t be fighting the wars of our treacherous neighbors. They are trying to kill the small ounce of democracy that we have fashioned in between wars…soon lebanon will be a theocracy ruled by a dictator and it will disappear into the abyss. Thank goodness there are countries will to take the rest of us in.
November 30th, 2006 | #
To Lebanese Student-Thanks. Our hospitals are also staffed by excellent physicians from the American University in Beirut, and the US has gained tremendously from them. Our gain is Lebanon’s loss. If you want to contribute in medicine, law, sciences, etc, come here.
December 1st, 2006 | #
Herbert Kaine: Unfortunately yes, a lot of talented Lebanese men and women have had to travel abroad to work decently. I do not like Hezbollah and never did, but please you are making the US sound like heroes. The US only intervenes wherever it suits them. Did you know that it was the US who gave permission for Syria to hold Lebanon “hostage” for 15 years? Now, the very same US is saving from Syria. Just like it was the US who allowed Saddam Hussein to reach his position and maintain, plus allowed him to invade Kuwait and then save Kuwait.
Honestly, I am against Hizballah, I am against, Israel, i am against Syria, and I am against my country allowing anyone else interfere.
December 1st, 2006 | #
Ram- I dont blame you. As I recall, Syria was “invited” by the Arab League to make peace in Lebanon. Most countries choose to intervene when it suits them. When we intervened in Somalia, we were rebuffed. We intervened in Bosnia, to save Muslims from Serbs, and are still hated by Bosnian Muslims. We intervened in Lebanon in 1982, under UN auspices, ostensibly to protect the Palestinians, but were attacked by Hezbollah and Syria. Lebanon can never be free until its politicians put Lebanon ahead of foreign powers. This would exclude Aoun, Berri and Nasrallah from Lebanese politics. Also, having the UN mandate that Syria recognize the territorial integrity of Lebanon would lead to Israel ceding the Shaba farms area to Lebanon. Israel also has a crummy government right now, but many Lebanese politicians are in the hands of foreign powers
December 1st, 2006 | #
Herbert: Syria entered Lebanon in 1978. The Taef Accord you are talking about was created in 1989 (and the US backed it).
In 1982, you entered to protect the Palestenians? From who? Syria or Israel or the Lebanese?
In regards to the problems of our politicians, we are well aware of it.
I once again, strongly ask of everyone to stick to the topic of the posts in their comments from now on.
December 1st, 2006 | #
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