The Outcome of the Lebanese-Israeli War
What is the possible outcome of this war ?
I don’t think anyone can predict who’s gonna win or not. What we all agree on is that Lebanon and its people are the biggest losers and paid the heaviest price.
We’ve been hearing about the New Middle East map Condoliza was promoting during her visit. I honestly dont see how this is possible at all under the current circumstances. US administration wants to get rid of terrorist groups but this seems very costly and pratically very hard at the moment.
Terrorist groups have been growing so fast in the past few years and are getting so organized that no intelligence is capable of tracing them and Iraq is the best example.
War has been ongoing for 20 days now and this is when the Lebanese people will start living a state of war, gas is almost over, no more food stocks, nights and pubs are closed, Beirut is dead.
One week from now, the country will be paralyzed for good this time.
Hezbollah is still managing to hold back Israelis, unless Israelies are making him believe that.
Israelies are intensifying their attacks and are causing more massacres, Qana massacre being the last one.. Condoliza Rice asking Lebanon for a cease fire from Israel and Sanioura and Berri replying by asking Israel to stop first.
The World community wants cease fire but nobody is doing anything to make it stop.
All I see is 2 possible outcomes :
1- This is an endless war that started in Lebanon and will expand to other countries. We are going to pay very heavily for it and signs of a civil war will be showing in a few months or weeks if the war doesnt stop.
2- This rise in tensions in the previous few days is a sign that a UN resolution is being voted to resolve the issue once and for all. Cease Fire will be announced soon and UN will vote for Armed forces to be distributed all over the South, prisoners exchanged and Hezbollah disarmed completly. This may take some time but will put an end to this horrible war.
This is the overall view, lets hope the Lebanese government will know how to deal with Hezbollah and strenghen its sovereignty and build a real operating army once and for all
The best outcome for Lebanon is simply the annihilation of hizbullah and the exodus of a great portion of their shia population to Syria or elsewhere.
Lebanon becomes a secular democracy, Israel gets security, Syria and Iran lose a future shi’ite fanatic state.
And don’t kid yourself, that is where Lebanon is headed if the shia become a large majority.
July 30th, 2006 | #
Yes Daniel, and you stop the expansion of the shia’s by what, cutting of their penises? you know how many kids they give birth to everyday. The situation is not as easy as you people keep wanting to make yourself beleive!
July 30th, 2006 | #
(Must apologize in advance to the long rant/comment, but yours is the first political post I came across today)
There are a thousand ways to describe the situation going on in Lebanon right now, and fair definitely isn’t one of them. I can only imagine what the reaction of the ‘powers’ would be had it been Hezbollah that had ‘accidentally’ killed 4 UN soldiers after repeated fire on a UN post.
Thing is, we can never expect to fully understand the intentions of either side, leaving only one non-debatable aspect at hand suring this so-called ‘war’: Israel has no excuse whatsoever for the wreckless killing spree they’ve embarked on.
I also just want to say that in my opinion the terms ‘terrorism’ & ‘resistance’ are highly subjective terms that vary depending on what side of a metaphorical border you look at things. Personally, I don’t think that Hezbollah did the right move by kidnapping Israeli soldiers in order to exchange them for POW’s - not at this time anyway. But I can attempt to understand their reasons behind it. The Israeli response, however, is not only un-proportional but in my opinion is pure mass genocide hiding under the cover of some ‘noble’ attempt at eliminating a ‘terrorist’ group.
Daniel your comment makes sense, especially if you devote your time to watching biased networks like CNN & the like. I’m not saying I watch Manar or anything, I go with BBC. But we all have to understand that in no way are we to take anything said on tv at heart except pure facts, such as the 40+ that dies today at Qana. Sure, Hezbollah provoked this response by Israel; was it the intention of this ‘terrorist’ organization, we can never really be sure. But please don’t tell me that gives an excuse for Israel to use this as an excuse every time they kill an innocent life. Alot of people argue that you just ‘don’t fire with fire’, but what Israel is doing here is fighting fire with total (unwarranted) annihilation.
These are just my opinions and in no way are to reflect ‘the truth’. But I just don’t understand why everyone is still focussing on the lesser of 2 evils.
July 30th, 2006 | #
One of the great geopolitical mistakes of the post-WW2 period was to allow the establishment of the state of Israel.
July 30th, 2006 | #
From a reputable academic source:
Secret 2001 Pentagon Plan to Attack Lebanon. Read
> > the article at
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> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=A
> > C20060723&articleId=2797
STOP THE US-ISRAELI FASCIST RAMPAGE!!!
July 30th, 2006 | #
We have the technology. Open the tombs, get the samples, and run the DNA on everyone asking belief that they have a God-given right to Palestine. Let the true Palestinians stay, send the rest back to middle Europe. No more kamikaze martyrdoms, may God accept their souls, necessary.
July 30th, 2006 | #
“I also just want to say that in my opinion the terms ‘terrorism’ & ‘resistance’ are highly subjective terms that vary depending on what side of a metaphorical border you look at things.”
7tenths,
It is so nice to FINALLY hear someone else echo my feelings about the term terrorists. It seems to me that ‘terrorist’ is the the new catch-all phrase used to define any group that the United States, Israel, England…wants to justify killing–as is now the case w/ Hezbollah. Very often, it would appear, that the so-called ‘terrorists’ are actually the oppressed, poor, muslim, etc., relative to whatever wealthy, Christian/Jewish country is fighting with them. Strap a bomb to your body because you have no other weaponry and you are a ‘terrorist’, but drive your tank into a refugee camp and level it and you are a ’soldier’ acting w/ legitimate military force.
July 30th, 2006 | #
To Daniel,
Are you proposing a holocaust where you kill Lebanese citizens because you don’t like their religion?
The best outcome for Lebanon is simply the annihilation of the State of Israel as a zionist entity and the exodus of a great portion of their jewish population that does not want to live with the christians and muslims of this land to the US or elsewhere, the jews that want to live with us are welcome.
Israel should become a secular democracy that allows the christian and muslim palestinians to get back to their land and where everybody has the same rights. Israel as a jewish fanatic state has no future in the coming NEW middle east.
And don’t kid yourself, that is where Israel is headed if the zionist fanatics don’t start to accept that the world is changing.
July 30th, 2006 | #
Sam,
Jerusalem Israel and Jerusalem facts
1. Israel became a state in 1312 B.C., two millennia before Islam;
2. Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves “Palestinians” in 1967, two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood;
3. After conquering the land in 1272 B.C., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years;
4. The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C. lasted just 22 years;
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (east) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it;
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it
mentioned in the Quran;
7. King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it;
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem;
9. In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse
the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier;
10. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms;
11. Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries;
12. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100
million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group to have never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel, a country no larger than New Jersey;
13. There are 22 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them;
14. Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms;
15. During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths;
16. Out of 175 United Nations security council resolutions up to 1990, 97
were against Israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions, 429 were
against Israel;
18. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the mount of olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall.
July 30th, 2006 | #
To N10200,
Once a politician told Churchill his education budget proposal was too costly to which he responded “if you think that education is too expensive try ignorance!!”
You say: “This is an endless war that started in Lebanon and will expand to other countries. We are going to pay very heavily”
Are you saying that we should give up our rights and just submit to any US/Israeli dictat under the pretext that you don’t want to “pay the price”. The price of surrender is much heavier than any of the already very heavy one we already paid. Plus we didn’t chose to be in this region, we ARE in the middle east and the US and Israelis ARE trying to contol it by force (failed miserably so far) this has absolutely nothing to do with Hezbollah. Is Hezbollah in afghanistan, is it in Syria, was it in Saddam’s Irak, is it in the West bank?
This agression is imposed on us and I’m glad there is a formidable resistance that is preserving our freedom and dignity.
July 30th, 2006 | #
To Ed-Dallas,
Why are you talking to me about what happened
3000 years ago?
Why are you talking to me about the quran when I am christian?
Why are you talking to me about the UN that stays Idle in front of the qana 2 massacre of lebanese kids?
We have nothing against jews, not at all.
Are the original indians in america allowed in 3000 years to kill every non indian under the pretext that they lived there 3000 years ago? What logic is that?
Everyone should be able to live together with the same rights. It is some Israelis that don’t want to live with us not the opposite. If they don’t want to live with the people of the middle east why are they coming to the middle east? I have no problem with having Jewish neighbours, it is them who are having a problem with us.
July 30th, 2006 | #
“One of the great geopolitical mistakes of the post-WW2 period was to allow the establishment of the state of Israel.”
Maybe, maybe not and we can talk about King David, the Balfour declaration et al until the cows come home.
But it’s here,it’s a fact of life and it isn’t going to vanish in a puff of smoke or be defeated militarily. Even mad Mahmoud over in Tehran realises that.
July 30th, 2006 | #
Basicly what happened in the UN meeting today is that israel whined about how sorry it is and that the whole world must judge them for their INTENTION and not their ACTIONS. i did not think that the lebanese represantitive argued these points well enough and we have a case that is much MUCH stronger than than the one that he presentated, he should not have allowed israel to put the blame on hizbollah, whether hezbollah is in the right or wrong is a seperate issue, but the fact remains that this war is not balanced and isreal is destroying mountains for an ant hole. the civilians and children that are already dead CANNOT BE COMPARED to israel is suffering from hizbollah, so its all empty excuses. FINALLY, AS THE ISRAELIS SAY THAT THE BUILDING THEY BOMBED IN QANA HAD WEAPONS ON IT, WE WANT PROOF, WE WANT PROOF, UN MUST INVISTIGATE THIS, THIS WILL NOT BE ANOTHER EMPTY WAR SUCH AS THE WAR ON IRAQ. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THIS WAR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIZBOLLAH ANYMORE, THEY WANT TO DESTROY LEBANON AND THIS IS WHY THEY KILLED HARIRI .BECAUSE THEY HAD PLANNED THIS ATTACK FROM THE BEGINNING.
July 30th, 2006 | #
DANIEL, it is non of your business if lebanon, is a christian, shia or HINDU country? how is this any of your business? who are you to tell people what god to belive in ??? who are you to tell the lebanese who they should kick out and who should stay??? these people of different faiths that you speak of are all LEBANESE and nothing in the world will ever change that no matter what you or gang bang isreal wants. what is your freaking problem? are you so sexually frustrated you MUST control the world?
July 30th, 2006 | #
“Are you saying that we should give up our rights and just submit to any US/Israeli dictat under the pretext that you don’t want to “pay the price”. ”
Sam,
The ‘We’ that you are talking about is your Hizbullah leader and the terrorists around him.
WE the Lebanese people do not want war anymore and want peace with everyone.
We the Lebanese people made the 14th of March revolution to free our country and start building a true state and finish off with all militias. ( while you were thanking Syria for its invasion).
We wont pay the price for You and your syrian and iranian allies.
Anyway the next video i showed will prove to all how brave our resistance is and who should be truly responsible for the Qana Massacre.
July 30th, 2006 | #
its a sad day in hell when it takes death to remind us that history is just repeating itself.
even sadder when history is being used to justify the continual bloodshed, because those of you abusing your intertwined histories are saddly the future generations that will only make the same mistakes as your fathers and fathers before him.
both sides have one simple choice:
repeat the past, or learn from the past.
saddly from what i see and hear everyday from both sides of this conflict, is everyone learning from the past for the sole purpose of using it as a weapon to repeat past mistakes.
have fun killing each other, maybe we’ll get some peace and quiet when everyones dead, cos you guys sure as hell aint part of the solution.
July 30th, 2006 | #
The situation that exists in the middle east is one that needs to end immediately; there is very little disagreement about this particular point. the issue that needs to be remembered here is that hezbollah took two israeli soldiers from within its territory, prompting Israel to use unequivocable force against the terrorist organization.
It has been reported that hezbollah is not fighting behind the cover of civilians (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/07/28/hezbollah/, if you are interested in my claim). If this is true, the israelis should be punished for launching a brutal attack that is unwarranted given the seemingly minor action that started it. This is not self-defense anymore, this is extermination of lebanese people and that is unacceptable. The United States needs to get involved and bring this to an immediate end.
Unfortunately for the rest of the world, President Bush had decided not to talk to terrorists, so the lebanese people are left to suffer while Israel continues with their brutal attack, which will either launch a civil war or, worse, signal world war III in the middle east.
The conflict must end now before it gets any worse. Peace will only come if both groups can sit down at the table and agree upon a lasting truce. And the only way to come to the table is to call a cease-fire and make the leaders meet in Oslo or some other neutral site. This conflict cannot continue as it stands and Israel should not go unpunished for the fact that it will set lebanon back decades again after it had worked hard just to catch back up to the rest of the world following the previous israeli occupation.
July 30th, 2006 | #
KUlkun Dahaya el e3lam ( all of you are victims of the Media)
July 30th, 2006 | #
I doubt that there will ever be peace between Arabs & Jews because both peoples subscribe to the Semitic (& here I am talking about both Arabs & Jews) notion of justice: an eye for an eye, &c., which amounts to getting even, which is impossible, because neither side would ever acknowledge that “justice” had been done. As to the long history of Jewish occupation of what used to be called Palestine, by the same measure Indians (Native Americans, if you prefer) have an even longer residency in the Western hemisphere - at least 12 thousand years - than the Europeans who began invading in the 10th or 11th C. Do you give it back to the Indiands? As for the continued existence of the state of Israel, seems to me that Israel will implode in a few decades - most certainly before the end of the century.
July 30th, 2006 | #
israelis are terrorists, they r teerorizing innocent lebanese civilians and targeting Hizbollah the resistance movement. there are other ways for them to get their two soldiers back, this war is not balanced.
July 31st, 2006 | #
To N10200,
87 percent of the Lebanese people think like me
not like you. So I insist WE will not give in to israeli terrorism and you can continue to fool yourself: you already fool yourself by calling Dr people who don’t have any diploma for you live in the LF (Land of Fantasies)!!!
July 31st, 2006 | #
I find it interesting to want to use some ancient DNA as a justification of the creation of the state of Israel. Shall we use the same logic to determine who the rightful owners of the land we call the USA are??? I am certainly no anti Jewish person. I believe the horrors of WWII are only too real and not so very distantly in the past, but the Jewish people have spread world-wide and assimilated into pretty much every land and culture on earth, as have all the Abrahamic based faiths (Christianity, Muslim and Jewish). It has been a world of “might makes right” for centuries. Creating a new “country” on the soil of an existing land (and the Jews were NOT the sole occupants of the land of Israel or of what we call the “Holy Lands”) for countless millenia. It’s almost as tho what is currently Israel was a totally empty and unoccupied area like the Moon for pete sake!!
July 31st, 2006 | #
1.3abi el 3akel wa harek el Fe3l al ma3doom ( load the brain effect undesirable action)
2. 3asbaweyeh, 3antareyeh, wa awham (Neurosis, boisterousness, and
delussions)
3. tmasku fe a3sabkun (get a grip on yourselves)
July 31st, 2006 | #
Sam,
I am sure Al Manar polls are very credible. 87 % of the people think like what exactly ? support the kidnapping ofthe 2 soldiers by Hezbollah ? dont want Hezbollah to disarm ??
Well i had a Nahar poll few weeks ago that said the complete oppposite and i tend to believe Annahar more than Hezbollah channels.
Anyway , looks like you are out of arguments again and going on insulting the LF even though it was never mentioned in the post.
Wayno 7assouna to feed the 800 000 refugees in Christian, Sunnite and Druze regions ? is that how he takes care of his people ? launch rockets behind their houses and blame Israel then for the massacres??
I didnt see any humanitarian help from Syria or Iran .. waynoun our friends that will rebuild Lebanon ?? feeding us with AKs and Katyoushya ?
July 31st, 2006 | #
You are entitled to your opinions, and what happenes in lebanon internally should remain enternal, and lebanon will, and should have the right to be a democratic country that makes its own descisions and must never be bullied into doing what Israel want. I would like to remind you N10452, that you are, and always will be lebanese, this is now war, and you must never show the enemy that you are own their side because that will give them power. WE HEAR YOU, and something will be resolved, but lebanese will not be bullied. stop siding with them, because you feed them power now. please think about what you say, and how they glee and get ecstatic with your words. The lebanese stand united, for better or for worse.
July 31st, 2006 | #
jess,
When Hizbullah gives the government the 2 prisoners, we all stand with the government our legitimate representative and be united for Lebanon.
Till then, It is a war against HIzbullah, a militia supported by Iran and Syria and has nothing to do with Lebanon.
July 31st, 2006 | #
n10 it seems you have not been watching the news. lebanon wanted to exchange soldiers, and israel refuses untill they are finished with their attacks. what do you have to say about that? you , and the likes of you, because you are so ignorant and brain washed, are opening a huge door for the israelis , and welcoming them in destroying lebanon. lebanon will NOT be bullied. and you should think of building bridges and communicating with the lebanese of ALL FAITHS, ratehr than obviously and blatently shoowing your hate for islam , whether it be sunni and shia, and its obvious you completly support ISRAEL. WHAT YOU WANT, IS ANOTHER CIVIL WAR.
July 31st, 2006 | #
Rather than setting up a UN controlled area in Lebanon the best solution is to just send an international force into Isreal to disarm the neo-nazis at its helm and to stop these zionists once and for all.
August 1st, 2006 | #
Amen !
August 1st, 2006 | #
Jess, you and Slasher should join that force. Maybe then you’d eat some Jewish bullets like you deserve to do and save us all the vomit of having to read your animal thoughts.
August 1st, 2006 | #
animal thoughts? but i was thinking of you!
August 1st, 2006 | #
you want lil’ ol’ me to eat jewish bullets? prrr
thats just mean
August 1st, 2006 | #
Rampurple, how come you let Daniels comment remain posted?, its clearly an insult, while u were so hyper in deleting my own comments that were not even insulting?
August 1st, 2006 | #